Saturday, August 13, 2005

Secessionist stirrings in western Canada

DD linked me to an article about secession in western Canada, and I wanted to add my full support to the people wishing to pursue such a course of action. I say if Canada can break apart so can the U.S.A., just like the U.S.S.R. and that vile and bloody British empire.

I highly recommend the now out-of-print The Nine Nations of North America by Joel Garreau published in 1981. (It can be easily obtained on Half.com.) The author outlines the geographic and cultural boundaries as they existed in North America in 1981 and identifies nine different sections that share enough common characteristics to form the nucleus of separate nations. With almost 25 years having passed since the book came out, it seems that most of the predictions are coming to fruition.

CALGARY (CP) - More than one-third of western Canadians surveyed this summer thought it was time to consider separation from Canada, a poll suggests.

In the survey, 35.6 per cent of respondents from Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Columbia agreed with the statement: Western Canadians should begin to explore the idea of forming their own country.

The article ends with:

Pollsters noted that surprisingly, separatist sentiment appeared to run highest among young people - 37 per cent of respondents between the ages of 18 and 29 were open to the notion of breaking away from Canada.

Support was lowest - 33.7 per cent - among the baby boom generation aged between 45 and 64.

That doesn't surprise me a bit.

9 comments:

Anonymous A-Hole said...

1. The Confederacy wanted secession too (and many southerners still want it).

2. The Don't Tread On Me Flag flies high above every militia compound in this country.

3. Militias and southerners also are anti-Israel.

4. Secession will always be an armed struggle.

It's amazing who people will agree with just to be anti-establishment.

beamis said...

Fuck Israel! There I said it. Let them sink or swim on their own merits and the relative strength of their own economic output, not the tax dollars of peaceful American citizens. Fuck them! I'm tired of supporting a ruthless regional bully that always calls on their bigger bully brother (the U.S.A.) when they get in over their heads. Fuck them!

As for secession it will be a peaceful and orderly process, unless Big Brother steps in to prevent a legitimate option that was always included as an alternative for states not wanting to remain in a voluntary union, which was a part of the original intent of the United States Constitution. Read the Federalist Papers bro!

Lincoln got it all wrong, by waging savage war on those states wishing to leave the U.S., but he himself ended up getting what was coming to him for his role as a dictatorial warlord.

Sic semper tyrannis!

beamis said...

A-hole: "...southerners also are anti-Israel", where did you dig up that nugget? You're one paranoid cowboy dude.

I think I'll start calling you the Kosher Kid.

beamis said...

The break-up of the U.S.S.R. was peaceful.

Anonymous A-Hole said...

Beamis,

I've really enjoyed your true colors.

Thank you for putting them on display.

"Kosher Kid," "cowboy," "paranoid," call me whatever you'd like and I'll, in turn, let you know when you've come up with anything clever.

But, now that the name-calling has ensued, I'll give you what you want, allow you to get back to your angst, your unchallenged ranting, by leaving. You may want to add one more thread, so as to get the last word. Whatever, I'm done. The debate has finally degenerated to a point that no longer interests me.

Good luck with the secession.

beamis said...

In addition to your overall rudeness you also seem to have no humor to spare either. Been down in dat killer fog of Californy for way too long my friend.

Truth be known I'm of Jewish descent, my grandfather having fled a Tsarist pogron in the Ukraine in the early teens of the last century, and I'm named after a Holocaust victim---my great uncle, who was liquidated by the SS in Kiev. So much for my "true colors". All the same I still don't want Israel using my tax dollars to do anything! To hell with their aggressive and dysfunctional country whose boundaries were imposed by a European empire that had no business doing so.

You miss much and grandstand a lot, but haven't really responded to any of my articulated stances for smaller government, non-involvement in offensive warfare, or the federalist principle of localized independent control from central authorities whether form they be in DC, Moscow or Rome.

My views spring from deeply held convictions and personal experience, but I'm also willing to compromise or see things another way if something compelling registers with my intellect. I see Max, DD, Monkey and Aud all coming from the same deep wellspring of convictions based on life experiences and the knowledge they've gleaned along the way.

You sound like a war loving Bush supporter who's in it for anything that benefits Israel. Good for you---the party's almost over.

Anonymous A-Hole said...

Well, I don't think a word from me would preclude you from having the final say, so I'll weigh in with one last one. And then, I promise, I'll be done.

All references and allusions to Israel were initially brought up by you (on MM's blog). You were the only one, from the outset, insisting on comparing the two situations. I was only responding in kind.

As to my rudeness, it's sarcasm, suggesting that I do indeed have some capacity for humor (though that doesn't mean I expect you to see it).

As for my geographical location, you're wrong. I'm not in California, haven't been for more than a decade (except, of course, for the periodic visit). And, if you haven't checked lately, the "fog" in California certainly isn't a conservative haze, that's for sure.

In regard to your "true colors," your ethnicity/religion has nothing to do with it. Your true colors are those that would condemn an entire country on what I view to be partisan (and, despite your lineage, somewhat confused) grounds. Similarly, you've labeled me as a "war-loving Bush supporter" because it fits your needs. Those (pigeon-holing, guessing wildly) are your true colors.

While your beliefs are "all coming from the same deep wellspring of convictions based on life experiences and the knowledge they've gleaned along the way," mine, according to you, are based only on my support for Bush and/or Israel. How convenient for you.

Could it be possible that someone educated and well-read may just disagree with you? Or may just have convictions equally strong?

No, you might as well just keep believing that I'm dumb, it seems to work best for you.

For now, I'll just take solace in the fact that the country's fate is never determined by the bitter and marginalized.

Like I said, good luck with that secession.

Oh, and by the way, I wanted to apologize for stereotyping southerners (it seemed to offend you). I can see how you would be offended by someone stereotyping the residents of the red states.

beamis said...

The South is full of evangelical Christians who support Israel rather fervently. It just seemed to be off the mark, that's all.

As for the California business, I knew Max had relations in CA so I made a guess that you lived there as well, and your own references to going back to Cali on your blogsite intrigued me. An incorrect guess, oh well. I stand by the rest of it.

Audie said...

A-hole, you make similar jumps in your posts (that you accuse Beamis of):

One, labeling Beamis's views as "partisan," when they clearly are not. He's been espousing these general views since long before Shrubbie was president (or even governor), and he was no fan of the previous administration, either. His railing against the president stems from the fact that the current resident of the White House has presented unusually stark and distressing particulars that highlight exactly the dangers about which Beamis has long been against. It does not, as you suggest, reflect his love or hate for any particular party.

Two, you seem fond of slinging "anti-U.S." and "anti-Israel" as some sort of stinging insult. Ha! Funny. ("Ooooooooo, he called me anti-U.S.! Oooooooo.") Nationalists can go off and die in pointless wars over arbitrary lines in the sand if they really want to. The only sad part about that is that the people manipulating those desperate enough to actually go do the dirty work, are themselves draft-dodgers (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, the whole lot of them).

It's also humorous to note your smug delusion in referring to anti-war folks like Beamis as "marginal," when support for the war is dipping toward 33%. So, who's the marginal one here, A-hole?